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Xref: bloom-picayune.mit.edu rec.arts.sf.written:17187 rec.arts.sf.misc:3735 news.answers:4757 Path: bloom-picayune.mit.edu!enterpoop.mit.edu!mojo.eng.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!uflorida!purdue!haven.umd.edu!uunet!techbook!dant From: dant@techbook.com (Dan Tilque) Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.misc,news.answers Subject: rec.arts.sf.written FAQ Message-ID: <BzG90n.61s@techbook.com> Date: 18 Dec 92 09:57:56 GMT Expires: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:00:00 GMT Reply-To: dant@techbook.COM (Dan Tilque) Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written Organization: Pseudopolis Yard Lines: 557 Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.Edu Archive-name: sf-written-intro ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the frequently asked questions (FAQ) list for rec.arts.sf.written. It is maintained by Dan Tilque (dant@techbook.COM). Improvements to this list are welcome. Table of Contents 0. Introduction 1. Story identification requests * 2. Spoilers 3. What books or stories are about X? * 4. What books have been written by author X? 5. List of the Hugo, Nebula, or World Fantasy Award winners 6. Science Fiction Archives 7. Does anyone want to talk about X? 8. Defining Science Fiction and/or Fantasy 9. Dividing line between Science Fiction and Fantasy 10. The SF-LOVERS Digest 11. Star Trek 12. Cyberpunk 13. Common abbreviations 14. Filking (Filksinging) 15. Kilgore Trout 16. Can the X beat the Y? 17. Clarke's Laws 18. HAL vs. IBM 19. Johnny Rico's ethnic group (Starship Troopers) 20. Science Fiction Book Club 21. The fourth book of Alexei Panshin's Anthony Villers series 22. PJF after Steven Brust's name 23. SF themes in music 24. Other frequent subjects 25. Oldest SF Authors * 26. William Ashbless * Significant modification to this entry ** New entry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 0. Introduction Rec.arts.sf.written is a newsgroup devoted to discussions of written science fiction and fantasy. It is a high volume newsgroup and this article is intended to help reduce the number of unnecessary postings, thereby making it more useful and enjoyable to everyone. If you have not already done so, please read the articles in news.announce.newusers. They contain a great deal of useful information about network etiquette and convention. Please keep in mind these points: - Always remember that there is a live human being at the other end of the wires. In other words, please write your replies with the same courtesy you would use in talking to someone face-to-face. - Try to recognize humor and irony in postings. Tone of voice does not carry in ASCII print, and postings are often snapped off quickly, so that humorous intent may not be obvious. More destructive and vicious arguments have been caused by this one fact of net existence than any other. It will help if satiric/ironic/humorous comments are marked with the "smiley face," :-) - The net is a highly asynchronous medium. It can take several days for an article to make it to all sites. It is also quite common for followups to messages to reach a site before the original. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Story identification requests "Does anyone know this story?" <plot summary follows> When making this kind of request, ask that all responses be e-mailed back to you. One way to encourage e-mail responses is to set the followup-to line to poster (i.e. Followup-To: poster). After having found out what it is, then post the correct answer to the net. If you know the answer but are unable to send a message to the requester, wait a few days. It's likely that someone else will post the correct answer, thus sparing you the effort. Do not post messages like "I want to know, too" to the net. E-mail the person who asked the question and request that they send you any information they get by e-mail. Only if you cannot reach the person by e-mail *and* no one has posted about the request after several days should you post. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Spoilers Any message which reveals significant details of the plot of a book should be flagged with "SPOILER" in its subject line (preferably) or at least in the body of the message. Be considerate to other readers, don't ruin the surprises. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. "What books or stories are about X?" When making these kind of requests, ask that all replies be e-mailed to you and that you will summarize (set the Followup-to to poster to encourage e-mail response). Note that a summary is not just concatenating all the replies together and posting the resulting file. Take the time to strip headers, combine duplicate information, and write a short summary. Also note that at least two subjects, Arthurian and Robin Hood books, have FAQs posted to rec.arts.books and news.answers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. "What books have been written by author X?" "What books are in series Y?" A number of bibliographies have been compiled and posted to the net by John Wenn. These bibliographies also contain info on which books are in a series or in the same universe. The most up-to-date bibliographies are availiable via ftp from world.std.com (192.74.137.5) [user anonymous, any password], directory pub/jwenn. They are also in the sf archives (see entry 6. Science Fiction Archives below). In the archives, the bibliographies are in directory pub/sfl/authorlists. Warning: the versions of the bibliographies at eddie.mit.edu may not be the most recent. The archives at Rutgers are kept up to date. File names are generally LastName.Firstname (e.g. Niven.Larry). Case *does* count. Requests for more bibliographies may be made to John at jwenn@world.std.com. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. List of the Hugo, Nebula, or World Fantasy Award winners Lists of award winners are in the Science Fiction archives on gandalf.rutgers.edu (see entry 6. Science Fiction Archives below). The lists are in directory pub/sfl with these file names: hugos.txt nebulas.txt world-fantasy-awards.txt ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 6. Science Fiction Archives The archives are availiable via FTP from either of gandalf.rutgers.edu (128.6.7.26) eddie.mit.edu Please contact these machines only during off hours, Eastern time zone, U.S. For BITNET people, and those without access to FTP, the archives are availiable via e-mail. Send mail to BITFTP@PUCC.BITNET, with the following in the message body: FTP gandalf.rutgers.edu USER anonymous CD <dirname> DIR GET <filename> GET <filename-2> The DIR command will return a list of all available files. The GET command will retrieve the files themselves (and multiple GET's per mail message are prefered). For European readers, you may want to access the archives at the Lysator Computer Club, Linkoping University, Sweden. It's e-mail address is ftp.lysator.liu.se (130.236.254.1). The administrator is Mats Ohrman (email: matoh@sssab.se). The bibliographies are in directory /pub/sf-texts. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7. "Does anyone want to talk about X?" If nobody seems to be discussing what you want to talk about, post a (polite) message opening the discussion. Don't just say, "Does anyone want to talk about X" or "I really like X" however; try to have something interesting to say about the topic to get discussion going. Don't be angry or upset if no one responds. It may be that X is just a personal taste of your own, or quite obscure. Or it may be that X was discussed to death a few weeks ago, *just* before you came into the group. (If this is the case, you'll probably know, though, because some rude fool will probably flame you for "Bringing that up *AGAIN*!!!" Ignore them.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 8. Defining Science Fiction and/or Fantasy Many people have attempted to define them and probably the best answer was given by Damon Knight: "Science Fiction is what I point at when I say Science Fiction." Please do not discuss this topic unless you feel you have a truly novel definition. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 9. Dividing line between Science Fiction and Fantasy Many people have also attempted to pinpoint this and had no better success. Virtually every answer you give will fail to clearly indicate which category a large number of books belong to. Again, please don't discuss this topic unless you feel you have a truly novel answer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 10. The SF-LOVERS Digest The SF-LOVERS Digest is a service for those who cannot read the rec.arts.sf newsgroups directly. It is a compilation of the articles posted to sf.misc, sf.announce, sf.fandom, sf.movies, sf.tv, sf.written and sf.reviews which is sent out periodically via e-mail. The moderator, Saul Jaffe, does a certain amount of editing when compiling the Digest. Duplicate information is eliminated and the articles are organized by topic. Also, most meta-discussions are not included in the Digest. To subscribe, unsubscribe, report problems, etc., send e-mail to SF-LOVERS-REQUEST@RUTGERS.EDU. To post articles to the various newsgroups use the following addresses: Topic Address ----- ------- Written SF sf-lovers-written@rutgers.edu Sf on Television sf-lovers-tv@rutgers.edu Sf Films sf-lovers-movies@rutgers.edu General discussions that don't fit specifically in the other topic headings sf-lovers-misc@rutgers.edu Due to the high volume of mail, it's quite likely that administrative type messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 11. Star Trek There is a hierarchy of newsgroups for Star Trek, rec.arts.startrek.*. If you have access to netnews, use it for discussions about any Star Trek subject (old series, new series, movies, novels, etc.). If you are absolutely sure you cannot access the startrek newsgroup, and you *must* post to sf.written, include the phrase "Star Trek" in the subject line. Do not post flames about people violating this guideline. Use e-mail to request they follow it. It's likely that this person is reading rec.arts.sf-lovers via the SF-LOVERS Digest and has no access to netnews or rec.arts.startrek. If so, that person will not see your flame because discussions of what's appropriate in the newsgroup are not included in the SF-LOVERS digest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 12. Cyberpunk Cyberpunk is a subgenre of SF which (usually) combines high technology ("cyber") with an alienated, often criminal, subculture ("punk"). Some people consider cyberpunk to be a Literary Movement; others consider it a marketing gimmick. Arguing about which it is is pointless and not encouraged in this newsgroup. Probably the best definition parallels the one for Science Fiction (see 8. Defining Science Fiction and/or Fantasy above). There is a news group called alt.cyberpunk which is the best place to discuss cyberpunk. A comprehensive list of cyberpunk works can be gotten by sending e-mail to John Wichers at wichers@husc4.harvard.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 13. Common abbreviations BTW -- "By the way" FTL -- "Faster than light" FYI -- "For your information" IMAO -- "In my arrogant opinion" IMHO -- "In my humble (honest) opinion" ISBN -- "International Standard Book Number" ROTF -- "Rolling on the floor" ROFL -- "Rolling on the floor, laughing" RPG -- "Role playing games", like D&D (Dungeons and Dragons) RSN -- "Real Soon Now" (== within the next decade or two) wrt -- "with respect to" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 14. Filking (Filksinging) Filking, or filksinging, is SF/Fantasy fan folk music. The term derives from a typo in the word "folksinging" made in a program for a convention many years ago. Filksongs are often parodies of popular tunes or folk songs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 15. Kilgore Trout Kilgore Trout is a fictitious SF author that appears in several books by Kurt Vonnegut. VENUS ON THE HALF-SHELL by Kilgore Trout was written by Philip Jose Farmer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 16. "Can the X beat the Y?" where X and Y are mighty ships or alien races from different space opera books/movies/series. These kind of discussions are fairly pointless. Please keep them off the net. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 17. Clarke's Laws (This entry was written by Mark Brader.) Clarke's Law, later Clarke's First Law, can be found in the essay "Hazards of Prophecy: The Failure of Imagination", in the collection "Profiles of the Future", 1962, revised 1973, Harper & Row, paperback by Popular Library, ISBN 0-445-04061-0. It reads: # [1] When a distinguished but elderly scientist # states that something is possible, he is almost # certainly right. When he states that something # is impossible, he is very probably wrong. Note that the adverbs in the two sentences are different. Clarke continues: # Perhaps the adjective "elderly" requires definition. In physics, # mathematics, and astronautics it means over thirty; in the other # disciplines, senile decay is sometimes postponed to the forties. # There are, of course, glorious exceptions; but as every researcher # just out of college knows, scientists of over fifty are good for # nothing but board meetings, and should at all costs be kept out # of the laboratory! Isaac Asimov added a further comment with Asimov's Corollary to Clarke's Law, which he expounded in an essay logically titled "Asimov's Corollary". This appeared in the February 1977 issue of F&SF, and can be found in the collection "Quasar, Quasar, Burning Bright", 1978, Doubleday; no ISBN on my copy. Asimov's Corollary reads: % [1AC] When, however, the lay public rallies round an % idea that is denounced by distinguished but elderly % scientists and supports that idea with great fervor % and emotion -- the distinguished but elderly % scientists are then, after all, probably right. So much for Clarke's First Law. A few pages later on, in the final paragraph of the same essay, Clarke writes: # [2] But the only way of discovering the limits of the # possible is to venture a little way past them into # the impossible. To this he attaches a footnote: # The French edition of [presumably, the first edition of] this # book rather surprised me by calling this Clarke's Second Law. # (See page [number] for the First, which is now rather well- # known.) I accept the label, and have also formulated a Third: # # [3] Any sufficiently advanced technology is # indistinguishable from magic. # # As three laws were good enough for Newton, I have modestly # decided to stop there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 18. HAL vs. IBM There is a relationship between HAL (the computer in 2001: A Space Odyssey) and IBM. If you add 1 to each letter in HAL you get IBM. According to Clarke, this relationship is entirely accidental. In fact, he claims that if he had been aware of it, he would have chosen a different name for his computer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 19. Johnny Rico's ethnic group (Starship Troopers) What ethnic group does Johnny Rico, the protagonist in Heinlein's STARSHIP TROOPERS, belong to? (The following answer is from a posting by Eric Raymond.) From page 205 of the 1968 Berkeley edition (end of Chapter XIII): I said, "There ought to be one named _Magsaysay_." Bennie said, "What?" "Ramon Magsaysay," I explained. "Great man, great soldier -- probably be chief of psychological warfare if he was alive today. "Didn't you study any history?" "Well," admitted Bennie, "I learned that Simo'n Bolivar built the Pyramids, licked the Armada, and made the first trip to the Moon." "You left out marrying Cleopatra," I said. "Oh, that. Yup. Well, I guess every country has its own version of history." "I'm sure of it." I added something to myself and Bennie said, "What did you say?" "Sorry, Bernardo. Just an old saying in my own language. I suppose you could translate it, more or less, as `Home is where the heart is.'" "But what language was it?" "Tagalog. My native language." "Don't they talk Standard English where you come from?" "Oh, certainly. For business and school and so forth. We just talk the old speech around home a little. Traditions, you know." "Yeah, I know. My folks chatter in Espan~ol the same way. But where do you--" The speaker started playing "Meadowland"; Bennie broke into a grin. "Got a date with a ship! Watch yourself, fellow! See you." There is no room at all left for misinterpretation. Johnny Rico is a Filipino; Tagalog is a Philippine language, Ramon Magsaysay was a hero of the Philippine resistance, and many Filipinos have Spanish names. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 20. Science Fiction Book Club About once a year someone asks about the SFBC and the resulting discussion inevitably goes like this: A: I love it. I get hard cover books for about half the bookstore price. Plus they have these omnibus editions of various series so you can pick up several books in one volume. The binding may not be up to regular hardcover standards, but it's still better than paperback. B: Yeah, but I keep losing the monthly cards and end up buying or having to send back books that I don't want. C: You should do like I did. I called them up and got on the "Preferred Member Plan". On this plan I only get books when I send back the card. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 21. The fourth book of Alexei Panshin's Anthony Villers series Three books were published in the Anthony Villers series: STAR WELL, THE THURB REVOLUTION, and MASQUE WORLD. A fourth book was promised at the end of the third book and was to be titled, THE UNIVERSAL PANTOGRAPH. It was never published. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 22. PJF after Steven Brust's name The letters PJF are appended to Steven Brust's name in some of his books. What do they mean? PJF = Pre-Joycean Fellowship The name is modelled on that of an artist's group named the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood. A number of writers have appended it including Brust, Emma Bull, Will Shetterly, Jane Yolen, Pamela Dean and Neil Gaiman (this is not an exhaustive list). Many, but not all of them are members of Minneapolis Fantasy Writer's Group, the Scribblies. In the words of Pamela Dean, here is roughly what the PJF is trying to do: "... we are trying to undo the separation of the so-called popular values and traits in literature (which probably include straight- forward narration) and the so-called literary values and traits (which probably include stream-of-consciousness writing). We don't always succeed; we don't always try; we don't feel that writers doing other things are evil. But we are trying to reunite, in our work, the popular and the literary. Every one of us has a different definition of those terms and a different notion of how what we are trying to do should be accomplished." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 23. SF themes in music A list of songs which have science fictional themes is maintained by Rich Kulawiec. This list is posted to news.answers periodically. If you can not find it there, e-mail Rich at rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu. Alternate e-mail addresses for Rich are rsk@ecn.purdue.edu or pur-ee!rsk. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 24. Other frequent subjects Some subjects have generated long and acrimonious arguments (flamewars) in this group. Please think twice before posting anything on these subjects. 1. Robert A. Heinlein's attitudes towards women especially as reflected in his female characters. 2. Orson Scott Card's attitudes towards homosexuality. Other subjects, while not generating flames, have been discussed numerous times in this group. Please consider carefully before starting dicussions on these topics. 1. The nature of time travel. 2. Asking everyone what the first sf they ever read was. 3. Casting your favorite book as a movie. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 25. Oldest SF Authors Based on Tuck's ENCYCLOPEDIA OF SF AND FANTASY, the oldest SF writers are: Frank Belknap Long, 27 APR 1903 L. Sprague De Camp, 27 NOV 1907 Jack Williamson, 29 APR 1908 Andre Norton, 1912 A. E. van Vogt, 26 APR 1912 R. A. Lafferty, 7 NOV 1914 Lester Del Ray, 2 JUN 1915 Jack Vance, 28 AUG 1916 Arthur C. Clarke, 16 DEC 1917 Frederick Pohl, 26 NOV 1919 Sam Moskowitz, 30 JUN 1920 Ray Bradbury, 22 AUG 1920 Kurt Vonnegut, 11 NOV 1922 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 26. William Ashbless Who is William Ashbless? Both Tim Powers (THE ANUBIS GATES) and James Blaylock (THE DIGGING LEVIATHON) have him in their books. Is this the same character? William Ashbless was a penname that Powers and Blaylock used to publish cowritten poetry in college. When they both needed a name for a poet character in their books, they independently used the same name. After this had been pointed out to them by their editor, they got together and added details to make it look it was the same guy.